A Muslim Woman Defends Oppression
"Islam is the ONLY religion that guarantees women rights by the LAW of GOD"
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 4:13 PM
Subject: If You Read the Qur'an You'd Have Sense
If you read the Quran you'd have some kind of sense. But I know that you haven't. And I pray that you change your ways and read the whole Quran from cover to cover - that you might understand. Because believe it or not the Day will come and you will have to answer to Allah and Allah is no fool. I'm sure you've excluded alot of good emails that prove Islam is a wonderful peacefull religion.
[id removed for privacy]@nba.com
Katia of the NBA,
It's so nice that a woman of your intellect has been hired by the NBA and that you are rewarding them for their charity by spending time at work reading websites and sending emails.
Since Prophet of Doom presents the Qur'an in chronological order and in the context of Muhammad's life as these things are made known by the oldest chronologies of Muhammad - Ishaq's Sira and Tabari's Ta'rikh - for you to infer that we "have no sense since you know that we haven't read the Qur'an from cover to cover" is as dumb as Muhammad, Allah, Islam, and the Qur'an.
But speaking of fools, I wouldn't trust a god who says that the reward for killing is a brothel full of perpetual virgins. I wouldn't trust a god who says the sun sets in a muddy spring or that Alexander the Great visited the extraterrestrials who live there. But that is why I am not a Muslim and you are.
What Allah and Muhammad have to say about women is so revolting, only a foolish woman would trust them. Check this out for yourself at: http://ProphetOfDoom.net/Islamic_Quotes_Women.Islam.
As for "deleting emails proving Islam is a wonderful and peaceful religion," that isn't true. In the 5,000 emails we've received from Muslims there hasn't been any evidence in them that shows that Islam is peaceful or wonderful, or even that a single thing we have said is untrue.
But, since you brought up this subject, I have three responses. First, read Prophet of Doom from the "Pedophile Pirate" chapter to the end of the book and experience for yourself what the oldest Islamic sources have to say about Muhammad being a terrorist.
Second, read the Islamic Terrorist Timeline at the Prophet of Doom site. Over the course of 700 pages, it reveals that 95% of all terrorist acts are committed by Muslims.
Third, open your eyes. The most violent, impoverished, and oppressive places to live on earth are Islamic countries. Islam destroys everything it touches - including your mind and your soul. And that's a shame, because unlike 99% of Muslims, you live in a non-Islamic country where you are free to learn the truth for yourself.
From: Katia [personal email account this time]
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 10:54 PM
Subject: Flat Out Lies
My place at my employment is no charity. Don't assume you know what I do or how I spend my time at work. This isn't about where I work but about your false allegations and flat out lies. So please leave my place of employment out of the equation.
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the United States and most of the reverts are women. This is because Islam offers us women alot more freedom than the outrageous concepts held in the west as what constitutes freedom for women. Islam is the ONLY religion that guarantees women rights by the LAW of GOD.
2:241 "And for divorced women, maintenance (should be provided) on reasonable(scale). This is a duty on Al-Muttaqun(the pious)"
4:7 "There is a share for men and a share for women from what is left by parents and those nearest related, whether, the property be small or large - a legal share."
4:19 "O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will, and you should not treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the Mahr(dowry) you have given them, unless they commit open illegal sexual intercourse(adultery). And live with them honourably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allah brings through it a great deal of good. "
24:4 "And those who accuse chaste women, and produce not four witnesses, flog them with eighty stripes, and reject their testimony forever, they indeed are the Fasiqun(liars, rebellious, disobedient to Allah)"
I don't expect that you would post the whole of the string as that might show Mercy... and I know you wouldn't want that. Either way. I hope you have a long happy life. You made your choice, I made mine. Please do not purposely offend me as I've not offended you or your beliefs. Thank you.
Since you did show a lot more effort than most Muslims, albeit misguided and myopic, we will take the time to address some of your "points." Let's focus on looking into how Muslim women are so much better off in an Islamic world.
The 2:241 and 4:7 verses you cite are simply lip service. There is nothing that could be considered "legal" in what they say. They merely state that women "should" be given some share or a "reasonable" share. Fortunately for Muslim women, Islam gives women much more than a Muslim man would have volunteered, by laying out some figures just a few verses past 4:7: Qur'an 4:11 "Allâh commands you as regards your children's (inheritance); to the male, a portion equal to that of two females..." 4:11 and 4:12 continue about dividing up the loot that frequently focuses on the lesser stakes a woman should get. The 2 women = 1 man equation is reiterated in 4:176.
So, your first two points to demonstrate how great Islam is for women is that a woman is worth half a man. Aside from the fact that only women with no self respect would consider that a win for women, what non-Muslim people don't realize, is that Muslim women would be ecstatic if they truly were given that much value in Islamic society.
Let's touch a little bit upon this by continuing a bit further into the 4th surah. I'm sure you skipped over these verses by accident. 4:15:
Ahmed Ali "If any of your women is guilty of unnatural offence, bring four of your witnesses to give evidence; if they testify against them, retain them in the houses until death overtakes them or God provides some other way for them."
Noble Qur'an "And those of your women who commit illegal sexual intercourse, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them (i.e. women) to houses until death comes to them or Allâh ordains for them some (other) way."
Pickthal "As for those of your women who are guilty of lewdness, call to witness four of you against them. And if they testify (to the truth of the allegation) then confine them to the houses until death take them or (until) Allah appoint for them a way (through new legislation)"
Shakir "And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them."
Yusuf Ali "If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way."
So, those with the moral fiber of hyenas, are given the ok from "god" to impose a life-sentence on a woman for doing something that they deem to be "lewd", "unnatural", or "indecent."
Your case only gets worse with your next citing. 24:4 may seem like a worthy sentiment when taken entirely out of context and to someone who considers 80 lashes an equitable punishment for someone who falsely accused someone else of committing a life-sentence offense. However, you go beyond showing no objectivity and stunningly embarrass yourself to anyone who makes the effort to simply read the next verse:
Qur'an 24:5 "Except those who repent thereafter and do righteous deeds, (for such) verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
So, your point now becomes:
Those who falsely try to sentence pious women to life imprisonment, get 80 lashes and lose their credibility - unless they say that they're sorry.
But the inanity doesn't end there. Reading just one more verse again, takes us to the ultimate example of how idiotic it is to consider Islam as even a guideline for legal concepts:
Qur'an 24:6 "And for those who accuse their wives, but have no witnesses except themselves, let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies (i.e. testifies four times) by Allâh that he is one of those who speak the truth."
Therefore, we can simply throw out 24:4, unless you feel there is a chance that an accuser is unwilling to testify on their own behalf. Maybe Muslims keep 24.4 around to allow women to benefit from being accused by Muslim men who can't count to 4.
Now let's put the two verses to which you led us together. Verses 4:15 and 24:6 from an Islamic "legal" perspective effectively state:
If a man deems a woman has done something lewd, unnatural, or indecent, she will be sentenced to life imprisonment, as long as he accuses her four times.
I wonder how many hung juries occur in Islamic "courts" because a man testifies:
"My wife was lewd!"
"My wife was lewd!"
"My wife was lewd!"
"My wife was.... well... ahhh... she was a little flaky."
Let's now address your last example of Islam's defense of women.
4:19 is an obvious coup for Muslim women. It goes so far as to state that men can't take ownership/enslave the wives of their dead relatives unless the wives say it's ok, and that men shouldn't take the stuff that they gave the women. Of course, if a woman commits adultery, then all of this "protection" for her goes out the door. This certainly screams of freedom. Muslim women have the right to determine to whom and how they are allocated as possessions for men.
I'm surprised you didn't continue on to the next verse: 4:20 "But if you intend to replace a wife by another and you have given one of them a Cantar (of gold i.e. a great amount) as Mahr, take not the least bit of it back; would you take it wrongfully without a right and (with) a manifest sin?" If you want to swap out one of your 4 wives, then you have to let them keep anything that you gave them. (Oh yeah, you also jumped over 4:3, which is one of the places where Islam states that men can have up to 4 wives.) The effect of 4:20 is that Muslim men are encouraged to not give any of their wives anything.
While we're in this area of the Qur'an, let's look into the Muslim stance on consensual sex and coveting thy neighbor's wife: 4:23 "Prohibited to you are: your mothers, daughters, sisters.... Also (prohibited are) women already married, except slaves who are captives." 4:24 "Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allâh ordained for you. All others are lawful..." 70:28 "Preserve their chastity except with their wives and the slave girls they possess - for which there is no blame." Therefore, having sex with captives/slaves, meaning sex with those who have no right to refuse the advance, aka rape, is ok. And don't take your neighbor's wife - unless you conquer/kill him first.
We've run out of your evidence as to how amazing Islam is about defending the rights and freedoms for women, but there is so much more Muhammad and Allah had to say on their behalf!
Maybe we can help you by pointing out some more Islamic nuggets about women. Let's kick it off by focusing some more on the positive - that women are half as good as men: Bukhari:V3B48N826 "The Prophet said, 'Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?' The women said, 'Yes.' He said, 'This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind.'"
Our master of forensics wasn't afraid to prove this fact: Muslim:B1N142 "'O womenfolk, ... ...You lack common sense, fail in religion and rob the wisdom of the wise.' Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense? The Prophet replied, 'Your lack of common sense can be determined from the fact that the evidence of two women is equal to one man. That is a proof.'" It's hard to refute logic like this. Muhammad certainly was a wise man.
Now let's start into the evidence to back up our claims that it would be a huge boost for Muslim women if they were actually considered to be worth half as much as a man. We'll start by going back to the 24th surah: Qur'an 24:34 "Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life. But if anyone forces them, then after such compulsion, Allah is oft-forgiving."
Ishaq:535 "The women began to cry after learning about Ja'far's death. Disturbed, Muhammad told Abd-Rahman to silence them. When they wouldn't stop wailing, Allah's Apostle said, 'Go and tell them to be quiet, and if they refuse throw dust in their mouths.'"
Tabari VIII:62 Ishaq:496 "Ali said, 'Prophet, women are plentiful. You can get a replacement, easily changing one for another.'"
Ishaq:496 "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
And one of our favorites... Tabari IX:113 "Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur'an."
So women should be beaten, locked in the closet, their bodies are there to be ravaged, but make sure you treat them as well as a dog. Or for Muslims, maybe a sheep or cow would be a better comparison. Muslim men have such an affinity to molesting animals, the most influential and revered Muslim in recent Islamic history, the Ayatollah Khomeini, felt it necessary to address the issue with these fatwahs: "A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, however selling the meat to the next door village should be fine." Maybe this is why beef exports aren't a booming business for Islamic countries.
"If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned."
While we're on the subject of the legal opinions of Islam's most respected cleric, let's not forget this other Khomeini gem: "It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven."
Marrying off your daughter before puberty is a Muslim father's VIP pass to heaven. Let's check out another helpful tidbit from the Ayatollah: "A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister."
The message here is that if you want to get around the Islamic four-wife cap, you can stake your claim on as many sex slaves as you want by simply sticking your penis in babies until you feel you've reached the number necessary to satisfy your sadistic perversions. Of course, make sure you molest the hottest baby in the family, since you can't change your mind and swap her out for one of her sisters. Thank goodness you can do a test drive in their rectums before you have to commit to your decision.
(There are many more of the Ayatollah Khomeini's incredible insights into Sharia Law and how Muslims should behave in The Little Green Book.)
Well, even if Muslim men are given these perverted guidelines, I'm sure Islam's main prophet and role model set a higher standard for them to follow: Tabari IX:126 "The Messenger of Allah married fifteen women. He combined eleven at a time and left behind nine."
Ok, he was Allah's messenger, so I guess the rules don't have to apply to him.
Qur'an 33:50 "O Prophet! We have made lawful to you all the wives to whom you have paid dowers; and those whom your hands possess out of the prisoners of war spoils whom Allah has assigned to you; and daughters of your paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of your uncles and aunts, who migrated with you; and any believing woman if the Prophet wishes her; this is a privilege for you only, and not for the rest of the Believers; We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom they possess; in order that there should be no difficulty for you and that you should be free from blame."
Qur'an 66:5 "Maybe, if he divorces you (all), Allah will give him in exchange consorts better than you - submissive, faithful, obedient, adorers who worship, who travel, and are inclined to fasting - previously married or virgins." Just keeping a little air of competition going within the harem and making sure they knew how great they had it.
Ishaq:593 "From the captives of Hunayn, Allah's Messenger gave Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and Umar another." Maybe they were just for doing the dishes.
Bukhari:V5B59N459 "I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said, 'We went out with Allah's Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus.'" Errrrr, well, maybe a little more than JUST dishes.
Ishaq:311 "The Apostle saw Ummu'l when she was a baby crawling before his feet and said, 'If she grows up, I will marry her.' But he died before he was able to do so." Of course, Muhammad would have waited for a couple of decades for that baby to mature before marrying her, since he was 60 years older than she. Tabari VII:7 "The Prophet married Aisha in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadija. At the time she was six." Ishaq:281 "When the Apostle came to Medina he was fifty-three." Well, maybe he would have at least waited until the baby was potty-trained.
Some more on Moe's young maiden:
Tabari IX:128 "When the Prophet married Aisha she very young and not yet ready for consummation."
Bukhari:V9B87N139-40 "Allah's Apostle told Aisha, 'You were shown to me twice in my dreams . I beheld a man or angel carrying you in a silken cloth. He said to me, "She is yours, so uncover her." And behold, it was you. I would then say to myself, "If this is from Allah, then it must happen."'"Tabari IX:131 "My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was then brought in while the Messenger was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. Then the men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old."
Bukhari:V1B4N1229-33 "Aisha said, 'I used to wash semen off the Prophet's clothes. When he went for prayers I used to notice one or more spots on them.'"
We know how Aisha came onto the scene now, but what about some of the other wives?
Tabari VIII:187 "The Messenger of Allah married Mulaykah. She was young and beautiful. One of the Prophet's wives came to her and said, 'Are you not ashamed to marry a man who killed your father during the day he conquered Mecca?" She therefore took refuge from him."
Tabari IX:139 "The Messenger married Ghaziyyah after the news of her beauty and skill had reached him."
Bukhari:V4B52N143 V5B59N523 "When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed, so Allah's Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place called Sad where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.'"
Tabari VIII:117 "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself. Muhammad gave Dihyah her two cousins instead." Ishaq:511 "When he protested, wanting to keep Safiyah for himself, the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims."
Bukhari:V5B59N524 "The Muslims said among themselves, 'Will Safiyah be one of the Prophet's wives or just a lady captive and one of his possessions?'"
Tabari VIII:110 "When Abu Sufyan learned that the Prophet had taken her, he said, 'That stallion's nose is not to be restrained!'"
Ishaq:517 "When the Apostle took Safiyah on his way out of town, she was beautified and combed, putting her in a fitting state for the Messenger. The Apostle passed the night with her in his tent. Abu Ayyub, girt with his sword, guarded the Apostle, going round the tent until he saw him emerge in the morning. Abu said, 'I was afraid for you with this woman for you have killed her father, her husband, and her people.'"
Tabari IX:133 "Juwayriyyah was chosen by the Messenger for himself on the day of the Muraysi raid from the captives." "Muhammad married Umm, who had embraced Christianity."
Tabari IX:134 "Muhammad took Zaynab but Allah did not find any fault in the relationship and ordered the marriage."
Tabari IX:137 "Mariyah, a Copt slave, was presented to the Prophet. She was given to him by Muqawqis, the ruler of Alexandria."
Tabari IX:138 "The Prophet married Aliyyah, a Bakr woman. He gave her gifts for divorce and left her. He also married Qutaylah, but he died before he could consummate the marriage."
Tabari IX:139 "Layla approached the Prophet while his back was to the sun and clapped him on his shoulder. He asked her who it was and she replied, 'I am the daughter of one who competes with the wind. I am Layla. I have come to offer myself to you.' He replied, 'I accept.'" "They said, 'What a bad thing you have done! You are a self-respecting girl, but the Prophet is a womanizer.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N342 "Umar said, 'When my daughter Hafsa lost her husband in the battle of Badr, Allah's Apostle demanded her hand in marriage and I married her to him.'"
When wife Sauda got too old for Muhammad, he was certainly generous and agreed to not divorce her if she didn't make him give her "turn." Bukhari V3B47N766 "Whenever Allah's Apostle wanted to go on a journey, he would draw lots as to which of his wives would accompany him. He would take her whose name came out. He used to fix for each of them a day and a night. But Sauda bint Zam'a gave up her (turn) day and night to 'Aisha, the wife of the Prophet in order to seek the pleasure of Allah's Apostle (by that action)."
...and who of us hasn't taken a wife from their son?
Tabari VIII:1 "In this year the Messenger married Zaynab bt. Jahsh : Allah's Messenger came to the house of Zayd bin Muhammad. Perhaps the Messenger missed him at that moment. Zaynab, Zayd's wife, rose to meet him. She was dressed only in a shift.... She jumped up eagerly and excited the admiration of Allah's Messenger, so that he turned away murmuring something that could scarcely be understood. However, he did say overtly, 'Glory be to Allah Almighty, who causes hearts to turn!' So Zayd went to Muhammad. 'Prophet, I have heard that you came to my house. Why didn't you go in? Perhaps Zaynab has excited your admiration, so I will leave her.'"
Tabari VIII:4 "One day Muhammad went out looking for Zayd. Now there was a covering of haircloth over the doorway, but the wind had lifted the covering so that the doorway was uncovered. Zaynab was in her chamber, undressed, and admiration for her entered the heart of the Prophet. After that Allah made her unattractive to Zayd.'"
Tabari VIII:3 "Zayd left her, and she became free. While the Messenger of Allah was talking with Aisha, a fainting overcame him. When he was released from it, he smiled and said, 'Who will go to Zaynab to tell her the good news? Allah has married her to me.' Then the Prophet recited to the end of the passage. Aisha said, 'I became very uneasy because of what we heard about her beauty and another thing, the loftiest of matters, what Allah had done for her by personally giving her to him in marriage. I said that she would boast of it over us.'"
Qur'an 33:37 "You hid in your mind and your heart that which Allah was about to manifest: you feared the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then when Zayd had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We gave her to you, joining her in marriage to you: in order that there may be no difficulty or sin for the Believers in the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah's command must be fulfilled."
Let's make sure we don't forget about the concubines:
Tabari IX:147 "A eunuch named Mubur was presented to Muhammad along with two slave girls. One he took as a concubine, the other he gave to Haasn."
Tabari VIII:38 "The Prophet selected for himself from among the Jewish women of the Qurayza, Rayhanah. She became his concubine. When he predeceased her, she was still in his possession. When the Messenger of Allah took her as a captive, she showed herself averse to Islam and insisted on Judaism."
Tabari IX:137 "Allah granted Rayhanah of the Qurayza to His Messenger as booty ."
Tabari VIII:97 "When I returned to Medina, the Prophet met me in the market and said, 'Give me the woman.' I said, 'Holy Prophet of Allah, I like her, and I have not uncovered her garment.' Muhammad said nothing to me until the next day. He again met me in the market and said, 'Salamah, give me the woman.' I said, 'Prophet, I have not uncovered her garment but she is yours.'"
Tabari VIII:100 "The Messenger sent Hatib to Muqawqis, the ruler of Alexandria. Hatib delivered the letter of the Prophet, and Muqawqis gave Allah's Apostle four slave girls."
(There are more, of course, but let's move on...)
Even though we're supposed to be talking about women, while we're on the subject of Muhammad's libido, what about young boys?
Bukhari:V4B52N143 "The Prophet told an Ansar, 'Choose one of your slave boys to serve me in my expedition to Khaybar.' So, he chose me, even though I was just nearing puberty. I served Muhammad when he stopped to rest. I heard him saying repeatedly, 'Allah! I seek refuge with you from distress and sorrow, from helplessness and laziness, from miserliness and cowardice, from being heavily in debt and from being overcome by men.'"
In his description of paradise...
Qur'an 56:13 "...Round about them will (serve) boys of perpetual (freshness), of never ending bloom..."
Qur'an 76:19 "And round them shall serve immortal boys of perpetual freshness, never altering in age. If you saw them, you would think they were scattered pearls." Qur'an 76:21 "Upon them will be green garments of fine green silk and heavy gold brocade. They will be adorned with bracelets of silver;..."
Abdel Hamid Kishk, a blind sheikh who constantly attacked Egypt and its official religious establishment for not adhering to true Islam, had been telling his audience that
"Muslims who entered paradise would enjoy ETERNAL ERECTIONS and the company of young boys draped in earrings and necklaces."
Some of the religious scholars (ulama) at al-Azhar, which is considered by almost all Muslims to be the center of Islamic "scholarship", had of course come out with a bold statement to refute this damning claim: "Yes," they said, "men in paradise would have erections, but MERELY PROTRACTED (for a long period of time), NOT PERPETUAL." Thank goodness they cleared up that important inconsistency in his depiction of homosexual pedophilia in Islamic paradise.
Let's get back on subject. Maybe Muhammad had some good guidelines/advice for his men regarding the fairer gender:
Bukhari:V9B86N98 "The Prophet said, 'A virgin should not be married till she is asked for her consent.' 'O Apostle! How will the virgin express her consent?' He said, 'By remaining silent.'"
Ishaq:584 "Tell the men with you who have wives: never trust a woman."
Ishaq:469 "The Apostle said, 'Every wailing woman lies except those who wept for Sa'd.'"
Qur'an 33:51 "(Muhammad said to his men regarding women) You may have whomever you desire; there is no blame."
At least with all of this infatuation regarding their bodies, women can take from it a certain confidence about their attractiveness. Qur'an 33:59 "Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all over their bodies (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better." Oh well. So much for that idea.
Maybe Allah makes it up to women by giving them a great afterlife to make up for the hell on earth he created for them:
Bukhari:V1B22N28 "The Prophet said: 'I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers were women who are disbelievers or ungrateful.' When asked what they were ungrateful for, the Prophet answered, 'All the favors done for them by their husbands.'"
Muslim:B1N142 "'O womenfolk, you should ask for forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell.' A wise lady said: Why is it, Allah's Apostle, that women comprise the bulk of the inhabitants of Hell? The Prophet observed: 'You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. You lack common sense, fail in religion and rob the wisdom of the wise.'"
Ishaq:185 "In hell I saw women hanging by their breasts. They had fathered bastards."
Ok, but maybe some women make it into Allah's heaven, and that must be particularly suited for them:
Qur'an 55:46 "For HIM who lives in terror of his Lord are two Gardens containing delights: shade, two fountains flowing, fruits in pairs. Reclining on carpets lined with silk brocade, fruits hanging low. In them virginal females with averted glances (desiring none but you), undeflowered by men or jinn. Is the reward of goodness aught but goodness?"
Qur'an 55:62 "And beside this, there are two other Gardens, rich green in color from plentiful watering. In them will be two springs, gushing forth, and fruits. And beautiful companions, virgins cloistered in pavilions, undefiled by men and jinn, reclining on green cushions and rich mattresses. Which of the favors of you Lord will you both deny"
Qur'an 56:13 "A multitude of those from among the first, and a few from the latter, (will be) on couch-like thrones woven with gold and precious stones. Reclining, facing each other. Round about them will (serve) boys of perpetual (freshness), of never ending bloom, with goblets, jugs, and cups (filled) with sparkling wine. No aching of the head will they receive, nor suffer any madness, nor exhaustion. And with fruits, any that they may select: and the flesh of fowls, any they may desire. And (there will be) Hur (fair females) with big eyes, lovely and pure, beautiful ones, like unto hidden pearls, well-guarded in their shells. A reward for the deeds"
Qur'an 56:33 "Unending, and unforbidden, exalted beds, and maidens incomparable. We have formed them in a distinctive fashion and made them virgins, loving companions matched in age, for the sake of those of the right hand." "On couches or thrones raised high. Verily, We have created them (maidens) incomparable: We have formed their maidens as a special creation, and made them to grow a new growth. We made them virgins - pure and undefiled, lovers, matched in age."
Qur'an 52:17 "Verily, the Muttaqun (those who fear) will be in Gardens and Delight. Enjoying the (bliss) which their Lord has provided, and their Lord saved them from the torment of the blazing Fire. 'Eat and drink with glee, because of what you used to do.' They will recline (with ease) on Throne Couches (of dignity) arranged in ranks; and We shall join them to beautiful Hur (female maidens) with big, lustrous eyes."
Qur'an 78:31 "Verily for those who follow Us, there will be a fulfillment of your desires: enclosed Gardens, grapevines, voluptuous full-breasted maidens of equal age, and a cup full to the brim of wine. There they never hear vain discourse nor lying - a gift in payment - a reward from your Lord."
While most women are certainly enticed by laying around and having unending lesbian sex, there must be something else to do in paradise...
Bukhari:V4B55N544 "Allah's Apostle said, 'The first group who will enter Paradise will be glittering like the moon and those who will follow will glitter like the most brilliant star. They will not urinate, relieve nature, spit, or have any nasal secretions. Their combs will be gold and their sweat will smell like musk. ..."
Not going to the bathroom, smelling like musk, having a nice comb, and being shiny may not be quite what some women were hoping to find in paradise, but it's at least good that Islam describes some aspects that don't talk about unending sex with perpetual virgins. Maybe there's some more great stuff described later in the verse: "...Their companions will be houris . All of them will look alike and will be sixty cubits (180 feet) tall.'" Oh well. It was a refreshing change for a bit. Maybe the other verse referring to these ancillary benefits in paradise will shed a different light on the subject. Bukhari:V4B54N476-544 "The Prophet said, 'In Paradise they will not urinate, relieve nature, spit, or have any nasal secretions. Everyone will have two virgins who will be so beautiful and transparent the bones of their legs will be seen through their flesh.'" Just what the doctor ordered - transparent skyscraper-sized sex dolls. So other than escaping the burdens of toilet paper and tissue, there's nothing for women in paradise either.
Let's wrap up our discussion, and at the same time let Muhammad tell us why you sent us such an idiotic email: Tabari I:280 "Allah said, 'It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.' Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid."
Despite your request, we hope that you are offended. We should all be offended by what Islam has to say about women, and for that matter, about all of humankind. Reaching the point where you are offended by Islam would probably be the best thing that has ever happened to you.
The Prophet of Doom Team
Another reply to the Katia's second letter - from Craig Winn
We noticed that you avoided the central topic in your reply, Miss Katia S. F______, from NBA.com. You came to a site dedicated to presenting the Qur'an in the context of Muhammad's life, during the workday, and you said that "we had no sense since we had not read the Qur'an." Not only was that statement foolish, when you learned that it was untrue, you didn't apologize. That wasn't very nice considering the tone of your note and that this was the thrust of your message.
We encouraged you to read Prophet of Doom, and learn what the Qur'an reveals when it is ordered chronologically and set into the context of Muhammad's life, but you didn't bother. If you are going to accuse someone of being wrong, it is incumbent upon you to be right, and you were not.
We refuted your second claim that "Islam is peaceful," proving 1,000 times over, using nothing more than the Islamic scriptures as evidence, that Muhammad was a ruthless terrorist and that Islam is a declaration of war against all mankind. We told you to start reading the book at the "Pedophile Pirate" chapter, continuing on to the end. And yet you have chosen to ignore the evidence. All you did was quote an abrogated passage out of context, one that we cover in context in the book.
Your second allegation was that "Islam is a wonderful religion." We refuted this in the Islamic Terrorism Timeline, and told you so. There, we demonstrated conclusively that Islam is responsible for 95% of the world's terrorism and that Islamic countries are by far the worst places to live on earth by any rational standard. Yet, you choose to ignore the evidence.
Your third allegation was the "Allah is no fool." We shared several reasons why he is a fool and yet you ignored all of them in your reply.
In our initial response to you, we told you that "what Allah and Muhammad have to say about women is so revolting, only a foolish woman would trust them. Check this out for yourself at: http://ProphetOfDoom.net/Islamic_Quotes_Women.Islam." Yet, consistent with your habit of accusing without first learning, you didn't follow the link and discover the truth for yourself. Instead, you listed a handful of quotes all out of context that you knew were misleading.
Your reply went on to make some additional false claims with verses quoted out of context, most of which were abrogated as you know. Again, rather than learning, you were more interested in misleading. For example, you said: "And if you knew anything about Islam or the Prophet (pbuh) then you would know that ALLAH is the same God of the Christians and the Jews. There is ONLY ONE GOD. Now you can choose not to believe that and that's your perogative but please refrain from spreading your lies to the truly ignorant people who will read you opinions that you propagate as fact and believe it at face value."
You then quoted three verses, but you won't need them to understand this: I'm going to challenge you to a rational test - one that no Muslim has ever passed. And that is because this test completely destroys the myth of Islam. And that is because you were right when you said that Islam was based upon "Allah being the same God as the God of the Christians and Jews." If that is not true, Islam cannot be true. It is as simple as that.
But, how can Allah be the God of Christians and Jews when the God of those Scriptures says that His name is Yahweh? He repeats His name 7,000 times in His Scriptures. He says that Yahweh is His only name. Yahweh even says that a god by any other name is a false god. This alone demonstrates that Allah is a fraud.
But there is so much more. How can Allah and Yahweh be the same when their nature, purpose, and means to salvation as presented in their scriptures are the opposite? Yahweh wants a personal relationship and Allah doesn't. Yahweh wants all people to be free to choose, and in the religion of submission, Allah chooses. Yahweh manifested Himself as a man and sacrificed Himself to redeem mankind and Allah wants men to sacrifice themselves for him. Hell is simply defined as the place of separation from Yahweh in His Scriptures, so it is the one place Yahweh cannot go. Yet Allah revels in spending his time in hell torturing people. Yahweh says that there is no sex or marriage in heaven and Allah says that paradise is full of virgins satiating carnal desires. Yahweh says that He is the Messiah manifest in human form and Allah says that the Messiah is not God. The centerpiece of Yahweh's message of redemption to man is contained in the 7 Miqra, or Called-out Assemblies, and yet Allah doesn't speak of any of them. Yahweh revealed the Ten Commandments and Muhammad not only violated all of them, Allah contradicts all of them. In every possible way, the message and God of the Torah, Psalms, and Gospels is the opposite of the spirit and message of the Qur'an. Opposites are not the same.
Muslim apologists never acknowledge that the message of the Bible and the Qur'an are the antithesis of one another because they don't know the message of the Bible. If they did, they wouldn't be Muslims. But they say that the Bible was corrupted, so that it originally was the same. But that is not even remotely possible. There are hundreds of partial and complete manuscripts of the Old Covenant Scriptures dating to 600 to 1,000 years before the Qur'an was first written. There are 70 1st-3rd century partial and complete manuscripts of the books of the Renewed Covenant. And yet, the text of these ancient documents is the antithesis of the message in the Qur'an. They differ in every way on every page.
So if your conclusion is right, that Allah must be the God of the Christians and Jews, of the Torah, Psalms, and Gospels, for Islam to be true, Islam is false. It is that simple.
Now, since you don't have a clue as to what Yahweh's Scripture actually reveals, I'm going to offer you another opportunity which you will probably ignore, as you have every other chance at learning. Go to www.YadaYahweh.com and read what Yahweh said, what He is like, and what He wants. When you have done that, we'll talk again.
Oh, and lest I forget, you said: "As far as your references to your page and me checking it out, I've read about enough of your page as I can stand. I have nothing against you having your opinions about it but at least tell the people the truth - these are only your opinions, derived for a lack of knowledge of the Quran and the Prophet and your hatred for Muslims(for whatever reason)."
It's not a page, Prophet of Doom is 1,000 pages - the best-documented, most comprehensive, contextual, and chronological presentation of Islam's earliest scriptures ever written. Prophet of Doom isn't our opinion, it is based entirely upon Islam's five oldest sources - the Qur'an, Sira, Ta'rikh, and Bukhari and Muslim Hadith. You just "can't stand" what the oldest Islamic sources have to say. We can't be blamed that the Islamic scriptures don't tell people the truth, we are just reporting what they say.
Further, if you want to really understand the Qur'an, read it in chronological order and in the context of Muhammad's life. That is all Prophet of Doom really is.
And lastly, it was our concern for Muslims that motivated us to expose the message contained in the five earliest Islamic sources. While we hate the lie that is Islam because of what it has done to so many victims of Islam, we cared enough for Muslims like you to risk our lives to tell the truth. But you don't care enough about your own life, your soul, to even read one page, so there is nothing more we can do for you.