Our Friend Jalal

"o scholar of nothingness...shut up and stop insulting my religion you filthy queer...the human waste that came out muhammad is cleaner than you and the earth fill of people like you"

5/30/2004

My name is Jalal ...... I am a Muslim and have recently been given the address to your web-site on which you posted your book on Islam, The Prophet of Doom.  You said this on the front page to your web-site, "So there is a basis for an intellectual discussion and fact based debate."  (Jalal)

I just checked and this line is not on the homepage of ProphetofDoom.net, it's on the "Contact Us" page. And it's there for a reason--Muslims rant before they read. And thus far I haven't encountered any Muslim capable of intellectual discussion or fact-based debate. (Craig Winn)

Thus, I would like to offer you an opportunity to substantiate your claims against Islam in front of a live audience in a fair debate with me.

I substantiate my claims against Islam by quoting the Islamic scriptures and documenting my references. The validity of the five earliest Islamic sources is not in question and thus debating you wouldn't substantiate them. By saying so, you put yourself above the prophet you trust with your soul.

Indeed, a live debate with a Muslim will help you accomplish the fete of exposing Islam even more efficiently by going on record producing your research and evidence.

How egotistical and ignorant can you be? How would a debate with you do more to expose Islam than publishing a 1000-page book based on the Islamic scriptures and making the entire book free to the world online? I have produced the evidence and used it to prove the case against Muhammad, Allah, and Islam.

I know that you said that you receive far too many emails from Muslims, etc., but at some point you will have to render legitimacy to your claims about Islam by going against a Muslim in a debate and bringing forth your evidence and proof

I debate Muslims regularly on the radio and online. No Muslim has ever refuted anything I have said. And I have refuted, using only the Islamic scriptures, every claim Muslims have made during these debates. Moreover, the legitimacy of my claims is the Islamic scriptures themselves. If they are valid, my claims are valid. If they are not valid then Islam is not valid. Either way, Islam loses.

If you are so eager to debate, if you think you can debate, then read Prophet of Doom. When you're done, go back to the beginning and make your case. After you have read the book, I'll debate you online. But here are the rules: you have to read Prophet of Doom—all of it. Then you have to refute what I have said using sources as old and accepted as the five I reference, and you must do so without contradicting your prophet and god. If you think you can do that, we'll hold an online debate.

Further, I wish that you will be different from many others who, like you, claim to have exposed Islam yet when challenged to a debate, they either ask for money(!), or offer other excuses.  I hope to hear from you soon.

You should be ashamed of yourself. I make it quite clear on the site that all my work and my time is made available for free. That is why Prophet of Doom is free. Too bad you're not.

i challenge you to prove what you say and claim about islam....thus,for you to offer this ridiculous answer is proof again that you have no case and wish to hide behind a book you wrote about a religion you seek to expose, yet shy away from debating one of its members...what are you afraid of?

Somewhere on this planet there has to be a sane Muslim—at least one. But sadly, you are not the one. Using only the Islamic scriptures I prove that Muhammad was a sexual pervert and a bloodthirsty terrorist a thousand times over in Prophet of Doom, meticulously documenting every verse and Hadith, and yet you ask for proof. In your first letter you egotistically and ignorantly claimed that a debate with you would be more valuable than a complete review of the words and deeds of Muhammad as they are presented in the Islamic scriptures. Then you call a thousand-page book focused only on the Islamic scriptures "a ridiculous answer." I even agree to a debate so long as it's based upon the evidence and you ask me what I'm afraid of. There is fear here, and it resides in your delusional nature and ignorance.

if you think you are correct, then why not accept my challenge and prove your case.

If I am correct, Muhammad was the most evil man whoever lived. If I'm not correct, nothing is known about Muhammad as my only source was his words and deeds as they were recorded in Islam's five earliest books. Moreover, I am willing to debate so long as the debate is based upon evidence and reason, not your ill-conceived opinions. And the debate has to be online where everyone can read it and check the validity of the sources quoted. Muslims are universally afraid to do this. Their deceptions don't withstand scrutiny. They only play to fools and foolish emotions.

in fact, i promise you not to read your book until the day of the debate so that you bring forth your utmost surprise...

If you read the book you would reject Islam. That's why I want you to read it. I have no surprises because the most current source I quote is 1200 years old. If you are surprised by them, it would only prove that you don't know your scriptures well enough to debate them.

i keep getting the same answer from you people which indicates to me that you do not have the courage to be in front of a live audience for fear of being

You are such a nincompoop. I have done 1300 hours of live talk radio interviews, some in front of large crowds, answering questions from hosts and callers, Many of whom are Muslims, debating Islamic clerics across the nation, and yet you question my willingness to address a live audience. I'm willing to debate you in a forum open to the wholeworld at their convenience and yet you cower and project your failings on me. You are an embarrassment to humankind.

in fact, since you claim that we muslims do not read, it should be easy for you to dissipate me and islam because you read and appratently we do not read.

It will be easy to debate you because you are a fool representing a fool. Muhammad's words and deeds condemn him and you. If you knew them you would hate Muhammad rather than defend his demonic religion.

the challenge is still on and i will alert news media to your ridiculous response to me.

peace be to those who follow the truth

Jalal, I answered your challenge in the forum where you contacted me - the communication forum of the world. But you are afraid to have your words revealed to the world. You are afraid to use the evidence depicted in the Islamic scriptures. Your position won't hold up to scrutiny and you know it. All you have is deception and anger. And that won't play online where words must have merit. You are a conceited and ignorant coward.

you are just another enraged fanatic who is full of ignorance and so much hatred against other human beings...

What a moron. You are confronted with a 1000-page book filled with the words and deeds of your prophet as they are recorded in your scriptures and the best you can do is slander me. You are so typical of those infected by Islam's delusions. All you know is rage.

you should not talk about sex at a time when catholic priests are being sued for sodomy -in the hundreds-, protestant priests keep admitting to have impregnated their wives before marriage and overall craze about sex, sex with animals, incest and a book you call the word of god where proohets had sex with their own daughters....

So, the fact that Muhammad (Islam's lone prophet and founder) was a sexual pervert—committing pedophilia, rape, incest, adultery, and fornication—is excusable because some catholics and protestants are perverts? Islam has destroyed your mind if you don't see the utter foolishness of believing that a pedophile was God's witness to the world. You've lost all sense of reason if you are willing to trust a rapist with your soul.

The actions of the devotees of a religion don't influence the formation or scriptures of that religion, so the only way your example would work is if you could demonstrate that Yahshua (Christ) was a multiple rapist, a pedophile, incestuous, adulterous, and a womanizer using the Old and Renewed Covenants.

Further, neither incest nor bestiality has been shown as prevalent in Christendom, so your point is without merit on the basis of fact. I'm even less of a fan of the Roman Catholic Church than I am of Islam, but there are not hundreds of priests being sued. There are no Protestant priests, they are pastors. There are no such global professions.Lot wasn't a prophet.

This is a great example of what I was driving at with you regarding a debate. All Muslims seem able to do is use unfounded opinions and gross exaggerations. I used the Islamic Hadith and Qur'an to prove that Muhammad was a sexual pervert, destroying Islam's credibility, and yet you offered no rebuttal. The best you could do was to move 1400 years into the future and change the subject from Muhammad to a tiny minority of today's clerics.

still, disregarding your utterly ignorant remarks, i submit that you are ignorant in islam and my challenge still stands....

You can submit all you jolly well please. But everything you have said thus far is ignorant and irrational. What I have provided in Prophet of Doom is evidence and research. They are worlds apart.

but you proved to be just another coward, void of honor and full of hot air...

Good grief. Is there any light in your delusional world? Are you capable of something more than raw emotion? I have been longing for an intelligent, rational, evidenced-based debate with a Muslim for years—one that can be reviewed and scrutinized by everyone—and yet all I get is hot air from over-inflated clowns.

i will read your book because it would suit me to laugh a little....

Great. I only wish I believed you.

if you think you are not a coward, then accept my challenge and refraini from abuse, which is the weapon of the weak....

I have agreed to a debate in the world's largest forum. You are not up to the challenge because you don't want to commit your arguments to writing. Deep down inside you know that they will be shown to be foolish. You're afraid that open to scrutiny, you and Islam will fail. Even your clerics know this which is why all Islamic nations prohibit free speech. That is why criticizing Muhammad, Allah, and Islam is a capital offense. All Muslims like you have is emotion and the hot air that flows from rage. And speaking of abuse being born of rage, Muhammad was the perfect example. Weak in character and spirit, he abused everyone in his path—you included.

yet, knowing that you are not courageous enough to accept the challenge, i will let you enjoy looking at the pictures of your soldiers, especially the female whore that has a naked muslim iraqi on a leach, for you to reflect on your society and the sin that christianity and judaism filled the earth with...muhammad was honorable, he married women, not like many of your priests who marry men!....it will not honor me to debate you but i will be happy to expose you for your ignorance....then again, you are just another coward...

Jalal, the difference between a rational and moral person and a Muslim is contained in this paragraph. We see what occurred as wrong and yet you see what Muhammad did as moral. Mind you the difference is we abhor the sexually explicit humiliation. But you follow a prophet who was a rapist, a pedophile, incestuous, and a fornicator who owned manysex slaves—many of which were children and victims of his raids. You call honorable a man who beheaded countless journalists, a man who was guilty of mass murder, the slave trade, leading 75 terrorist raids, and countless acts of grand theft. More than anything, this demonstrates just how lost you are in your dark and immoral world. I would have pity for you Jalal, but you are beyond the pale.

i challenge you to a bedate and you accuse me of being a coward! this is not logical, because you are the one who is afraid of debating me and proving your point....just put up or shut up 

You “bedate” yourself quite nicely. As for logical, I'm surprised you spelled the word correctly. You most certainly are ill-equipped to use it. The claims you have made thus far are irrational, ignorant, and egotistical. I'm happy to debate you in the world's largest forum—the Internet. My only stipulation is that the debate conform to scholastic standards—all arguments must be documented and verifiable from acceptable sources. So either put up or shut up.

you seem to become more enraged with every email...

I find you pathetic. Pathetic people don't enrage me. You're a lost soul. You make egotistical and ignorant statements with reckless abandon.

easy, you think we muslims do not read, then debate me and defeat me, i dare you, i challenge you...

I've offered you a forum for debate. If you are unwilling to use the world's largest forum, too bad. And in that light, your continued dares are childish. Grow up.

i wonder which religion taught you your manners, it must have been the religion of turn your other cheek; you are really rude and ignorant...

Ignorant again. I have no religion. I am anti-religious. If you had read Prophet of Doom, you would have known that.

Yahweh's Scriptures are very clear in how to deal with false prophets, false gods, false religions, and false teachings. We are to research them, examine the evidence, and then aggressively expose and repudiate the false notions as well as those who promote them. We are to be intolerant of them. The Scriptures (Bible) are particularly harsh on Islam and those who practice it. So I'm doing precisely what I am told to do. According to His Scriptures, Yahweh sees you as a lost soul, corrupting other souls and thus destined for judgment. Nothing can be done to save a belligerent Muslim. There is hope, however, for bad Muslims—those not sufficiently polluted by Islam. So, I converse with you so that bad Muslims might see in you the ugliness of Islam.

if you want to debate me, send me an EMPTY email with this subject, "let's debate live", because i am not used to reading the kind of trash you write in your emails;

I have no interest in you Jalah other then to expose what Islam has done to you. And as a Muslim, you read trash every day. It is the diet of the religion. Moreover, you haven't raised a single rebuttal to anything I presented in Prophet of Doom. If you are so eager to argue, demonstrate that something I presented is errant.

shame on you...also, if you agree to debate me, you must stop insulting me and my religion while talking to me or emailing me (make it a civil discussion man and just behave yourself)...

Now there are a couple of delusional comments if I've ever seen them. I am not insulting you, Jalal, I'm simply exposing you. Your emails display ignorance, unfounded egotism, a childish schoolyard bully manner. If you find this description insulting, act differently. And just like you, your religion earns its insults. It is an insult that humans have been conned into believing a demon-possessed madman and his miserable excuse for scripture. Muhammad was among the most perverted, bloodthirsty, immoral, pirates and terrorists who ever lived. His Hadith and Qur'an are demented and demonic. There is no way to discuss Muhammad's scriptures in a civil manner because he was uncivil. His words and deeds condemn him and you.

your lies are easy to defeat and your 5000 hadeeth reading will not help you prevail, because you read with the heart of satan and he speaks on your tongue, and stana never prevcails...

You want to debate Islam yet you condemn the only evidence available as worthless. Without the Hadith, there is no Muhammad, no pillars, no Islam. But at least you were close on your last point. Satan is in the words of the Islamic Hadith. And Satan never prevails. It's unfortunate that you don't recognize that Muhammad created Allah in Satan's image.

so, again, put up or shut up man and stop insulting people, be ashamed from your lord if you are not ashamed of man...the only email i will read for you from now on is that which calls to a debate as described above...

You're writing me pal. I'm not soliciting you. If you don't want to hear form me stop writing me.

Also, I don't have a lord. That word is derived from the pagan sun god Ba'al. Muhammad used it in his first 17 surahs because he didn't know any better. I serve Yahweh.

Men and women polluted by Islam do shameful things. They are responsible for 90% or the world's terrorism. The nations controlled by Islam are the least prosperous and least free places to live on earth.

You haven't described a debate in this email. If you want to begin one, raise an issue from Prophet of Doom that you disagree with and substantiate your position with scriptural, scientific or historical evidence. I'll reply to whatever issue you raise.

I said that i am willing to not read your book, and thus, give you the opportunity to explode me live with the loads of evidence you think you have collected and which you will surprise me with...

At least you're consistent, Jalal. I confirm that your last email was an ignorant deception you just rant right along as if nothing happened. That is the sign of a sick mind, of a person who has lost touch with reality.

Your sickness is confirmed by your words in this email. Only a good Muslim would want the “opportunity to explode someone alive.” What a perverse thought. And then without missing a beat, you speak of the Islamic Hadith and Qur'an evidence as if it were mine—and you suggest it could be surprising. It's your evidence, and it's 1200 years old.

Further, there is no question as to whether I've collected it; the book is proof. If the evidence in the Islamic Hadith and Qur'an “surprises”you, then you have no business being a Muslim much less debating me.

i can read as i will in your book and quickly pick 11 places where you made errors...

Now you've moved to contradiction—another Islamic trait. “I am willing not to read your book” vs. “I can read as I will in your book and quicklypick 11 places where you made errors.” Make up your mind.

The last time you played this game you embarrassed yourself and your religion. You were not only wrong, by bringing attention to the quote, you helped me expose Islam's violent nature.

however, in this case, how can this translate into a debate in the future when it is void of live audience that will hear you and then hear the truth, especially if i successfully destroy your evidence,

Conversing with you is like talking to an emotionally unstable and illiterate child. A debate is not affected by the nature of the audience. It is judged based upon evidence and reason. It works like this: You make a statement like you did regarding the Noble Qur'an's quotation on Jihad. I demonstrate that you are wrong, documenting the evidence. Then you offer your next best criticism and I'll respond to it. You can post your comments and my replies wherever you want. I'll post them on the Resources pages of ProphetofDoom.net. People can read them at their leisure.

If you raise a second point, I'll start the forum with the first one and add the next one sequentially for as long as the debate has merit. But be careful of what you threaten. If you were to “destroy my evidence,” you will destroy Islam as the five sources I quote are the most authentic and oldest in Islam.

and by the will of allah i shall...

Allah has never performed a miracle nor ever spoken to any man. All you know of Allah is what Muhammad claimed he heard from a spirit he erroneously called Gabriel.

then you might back away from a live debate because you only seek pathetic weak muslims who do not have a clue about islam and who do not read (i might be one of them, you know)..

Actually, I have only debated educated Muslims on the radio—all of them much smarter and better read than you. They have all lost miserably as they say things which are easily proven untrue using the Islamic scriptures. They admit defeat when they shift gears and go from making false claims to trying to justify what actually occurred. It's pathetic really.

.i also did describe a debate: i wanted your unconditional agreement to it, that it is civil, live and, i should add, fair..

All you did was try to be insulting. That is not how a debate is defined. So try this if you are so eager:

Question:	Was Muhammad a terrorist and do his words and deeds inspire terrorism?
Acceptable Evidence:	English translations of Ishaq's Sira, Tabari's Ta'rikh, Bukhari's and Muslim's Hadith, the Qur'an, and verifiable secular historical accounts that quote ancient sources.
Format:	Point/Counterpoint/Rebuttal/Counter-rebuttal
Forum:	Open forum posted periodically at ProphetofDoom.net and at a site of your choosing.
All comments and conclusions must be directly supported by documented evidence from Islam's five oldest and most important sources. No opinions.

the details shall come if you but agree, in which case we choose a venue, time and date and a mutually agreed upon arbitrator to control the proceedings, and indeed, we need a simple written contract or agreement as to how the debate will proceed.

There are no arbitrators to control the proceedings. Stay on topic and use acceptable evidence. There are no contracts. This isn't a business.

we can both share the cost of renting a hall, of finding a free hall, let's say in orlando or chicago, and each one of us makes the proper announcement as he sees fit...

I'm not going anywhere to meet you. I have no interest in you. What part of this don't you get. You debate online for the world to read, or go away.

no preconditions, no topics barred...

Then it's not a debate. It's a meaningless rant. In a debate a question is chosen and the parties use reason and mutually agreed upon evidence to debate the question. You really don't have a clue as to what you are doing.

but the details should come AFTER you agree and you do not seem to agree to a debate without preconditions, such as your insiting that i find erroros in your book thus exposing my ability or lack of it to you in advance...

A debate without conditions and a question is not a debate. If you want to spew your Islamic venom on an unsuspecting world, rent a hall. If you want to debate, then adhere to the conditions and terms of a debate.

If you want to debate what I've already presented, have at it. If you can't or won't, then pick a topic and I'll tell you if I'm interested. You started with Jihad so the question I proposed seemed like a natural one.

finally, i shied away from your other remarks and am trying to steer this conversation to being civil regardless of how you behave and what you say...

I only respond to your words. If you don't like what I say, don't write me or act differently.

i challenge you to a debate, just send me an email wherein you write in the cubject: let's debate live and stop this game of delays and preconditions...

You are a broken record and I'm losing my patience with you as this is clearly a waste of time.

otherwsie, if you do not want a debate, i will read through your book and expose its errors on my own and in this case you will not have the opportunity to respond to me as you would in a live debate...suit yourself...

Please, be my guest. Read Prophet of Doom and debate the evidence and conclusions. That's a wonderful idea.

i will give you until wednesday, may 26, 5 pm to respond positively and then, if you do not agree to a debate without conditions, i will relieve myself from the promise of not reading your book until a debate takes place between me and you...

I want you to read Prophet of Doom. No rational person can read it and remain a Muslim. Please read it and debate it—but most importantly, think about the man who inspired the words and deeds contained therein.

i knew you were a coward and still are...i still challenge you to a debate...you have until 5 pm this evening to accept, o scholar of nothingness...shut up and stop insulting my religion you filthy queer...the human waste that came out muhammad is cleaner than you and the earth fill of people like you...  jalal

This was Jalal's parting shot. With this the debate ends.

To our readers:  Jalal did send us yet another email.  But instead of accepting the offer to debate, instead of refuting the evidence found in Prophet of Doom, he chose to spend his time collecting disparaging remarks about the author instead.  It's clear from Jalal's email that he believes he has "exposed" Craig Winn.  We have posted the entire email for you to read here.